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#699605 - 06/16/12 03:39 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Keystoner]
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Besides, how do they determine what you are targeting?
Because your holding a 7wt swinging steelhead flies. or a trout set up.
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#699609 - 06/16/12 04:08 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: aozboz]
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It is a fishing license, not a catching license. If you are fishing, no matter if you catch something or not or if you release what you catch, you need the license because you are fishing.
When an officer checks you for your license, you may not have any fish in your possession but you still need the license.
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#699642 - 06/16/12 10:34 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Gene Trump]
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RIGHT.
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#699652 - 06/17/12 06:20 AM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Keystoner]
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As far as the original question, Gene's last point is really all you need to know. It's a fishing license not a catching license. Even the tag.
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#699892 - 06/20/12 04:41 AM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: doublebluff]
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Yes, I understand. I just don't think I should need a fishing license, AND a fishing license, just to catch and release. Seems like a pretty obvious racket. Thanks for the feedback.
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#699932 - 06/20/12 02:02 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Keystoner]
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If you really want to experience some sphincter stretching, check out the British Columbia licensing requirements for steelhead catch & release fishing on class rated waters. Ouch!
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#699933 - 06/20/12 02:16 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: KillerDave]
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Yup. I was there about 5 years ago and the blue ribbon water cost me $21/day. I fished the Elk and got about 2 hours of great fishing before a thunderstorm upstream blew up the water. I suspect it's more now.
On a similar note, this subject has come up for waters in Oregon to be considered for a similar blue ribbon status, and extra fees. Would we as anglers support this? In state folks would get a break but would still cost more. I'm still pondering whether this is a good idea or not.
'Cator
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#699935 - 06/20/12 02:40 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: piscator54]
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I don't think Oregon has any "Blue Ribbon" fisheries, or if they do, they are danged few. The ODF&W doesn't manage for fisheries that really could be considered Blue Ribbon. They primarily manage for consumption.
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#699944 - 06/20/12 06:49 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: KillerDave]
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Good question.
I want to rebel against the system and would like to know what the fine is for catch & release fishing without a license. If you are fishing in a river that has both catchable trout and Steelhead you can certainly fish without a Steelhead tag. The mcKenzie is an example. If I fish with my fly rod and catch and release a Steelhead I haven't violated the law as long as I have an angling license.
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#699945 - 06/20/12 06:55 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Gene Trump]
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Here's a good one I asked the folks at ODF&W and they didn't have a very good answer.
The ODF&W dump adult hatchery fish in coastal lakes. These lakes are located near steelhead rivers. I asked the folks at the local ODF&W office what I'm supposed to do if I catch a steelhead from a lake and am stopped by the OSP on the way home. They notice the steelhead.
I didn't tag it because there is no location for a lake and technically, in a lake it is considered a trout. How do they know I didn't catch the steelhead from one of the steelhead rivers and failed to tag it?
The answer from the ODF&W? "I guess you hope the officer believes you."
What? Hope he believes me is the answer???
Obviously, there is a problem with the system when it comes to the adult steelhead the ODF&W dumps in the lakes. An angler who catches and keeps one doesn't even need a steelhead tag but how is an OSP officer supposed to know you didn't catch it from a nearby river instead of the lake?
The ODF&W needs to somehow mark the excess adult hatchery steelhead that they dump in the coastal lakes.
The excess steelhead from Leaburg Hatchery have a numbered tag. The hatchery people record the numbers from all steelhead hauled to lakes. OSP can easily check with the hatchery staff for a steelhead from leaburg hauled to a lake.
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#699946 - 06/20/12 07:01 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: KillerDave]
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I know that the penalty for poaching, which involves killing your quarry, can be quite severe: big fine, confiscation of everything used to commit the act (tackle, boat, vehicle) and even the possibility of jail time.
If you're going to intentionally angle for steelhead, then you are steelhead fishing--no gray area here. This is true weather you catch something or not or keep it or not. If you choose to do this without a tag, then you are intentionally fishing without a license and there is a pentalty if you get caught.
What I don't know is what the penalty for fishing without a license might be.
If you don't want to support the hatchery machine you should realize it's funded by the general fund. Thus, your purchases of Gasoline to travel to said Hatchery Steelhead River and Keystone to enjoy your time there contibute more tax dollars the to hatchery machine than a tag purchase.
Sucks, doesn't it? Most hatchery programs are not supported by the general fund. Trout programs in particular are usually supported by federal funding. All trout from Leaburg and Willamette hatchery are 100% federally funded. (Army Corps of Engineers).
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#699948 - 06/20/12 08:06 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Old hatchery guy]
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I was thinking of the excess hatchery steelhead they dump in Olalla Lake outside of Toledo. Do you know if those are marked? It was in regards to those steelhead that I queried the office in Corvallis and received the odd answer.
If the excess steelhead are marked, then problem solved. However, the person I spoke with at the Corvallis office gave me no indication that the excess steelhead (I assume from the Alsea hatchery) were marked.
Plus, if the money for the hatchery programs does not come from Oregon, why the apparent push by the ODF&W to sell Oregon fishing licenses by creating "increased fishing opportunities"... meaning, catch and kill?
Glad you have showed up. I'm sure there are a lot of questions in regards to the ODF&W hatchery program that the WF members would like to ask.
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#699957 - 06/20/12 09:23 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Gene Trump]
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Gene,
I retired from ODFW last year. Before retiring I managed Leaburg hatchery for over 11 years. I don't officially represent ODFW in any capacity, but I am pretty familiar with hatchery programs in general. I can't speak specifically about all hatchery programs but I do know that in general about 70% of hatchery funding comes from the feds. In the case of Leaburg Hatchery the funding is 100% COE funding as mitigation for Willamette system dams. License sales support some of the coastal hatcheries and a few other programs across the state but for the most part it's federal funding.
I know that other hatcheries stock excess steelhead in a variety of lakes, but I am only directly familiar with the program at Leaburg. All the steelhead are tagged with a specific number and for the most part recycled to the McKenzie River. late in the year, about November, tagged steelhead are hauled to Junction City Pond. OSP is always aware when we haul steelhead to JC Pond so there is never an issue there.
In any event, my facts and opinions are my own and do not represent ODFW,
Tim
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#699961 - 06/20/12 10:09 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Old hatchery guy]
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If you are fishing in a river that has both catchable trout and Steelhead you can certainly fish without a Steelhead tag. The mcKenzie is an example. If I fish with my fly rod and catch and release a Steelhead I haven't violated the law as long as I have an angling license So, you are telling me that I can fish the McKenzie with a spey rod, swinging leeches or some such with sink tip, and not get busted for fishing w/o the Salmon/Steelhead tag?? Also, can you give me an example of a river without a catchable trout population, where steelhead fishing takes place. Thanks.
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#699965 - 06/20/12 11:44 PM
Re: Salmon/Steelhead Tag (Hatchery Harvest Tag)
[Re: Keystoner]
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[quote] Also, can you give me an example of a river without a catchable trout population, where steelhead fishing takes place. Sandy River
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